Jean: Dante's closing words in The Divine Comedy: "l'amor che muove il sol e l'altre stelle." The love that moves the sun and the other stars. And, you know, we ultimately come down to that. What is it about? It's about that apprehension of union, of connection, not just with one, but with the plurality of being - which then primes all further growth.
Barbara: This is the vision that has motivated me: the vision of being part of the body of humankind, and that body struggling to become one and moving towards the sense of universal life. It wasn't Barbara Hubbard connecting with God.
Hazel: Yes, I've always sensed that in you.
Barbara: And I don't think it's Hazel Henderson making just the personal link.
Hazel: Oh no.
Barbara: And you, Jean, wouldn't be working out in the world as you do, and at the New School for Social Research.
Jean: And with all of the little black children and prisoners.
Hazel: It's really the attempt to link the organic human species body.
Barbara: Maybe we've hit upon one of the key elements of feminine consciousness: putting that effort first.
Hazel: Yes!
Barbara: Each one of us could have pursued a life of deep contemplation. We could have become yogis. You probably are one, Jean, but you don't spend all of your time in a lotus position. You are out in the world.
Jean: Yogi means union.
Barbara: Yes, but in the traditional forms, yogis spent a great deal of time isolated from the world. You have a tremendously active life. And so does Hazel, and so do I. You, being a real worker in the spiritual field, are manifesting this sense externally.
Jean: This is the new form of Eros!
Barbara: I have a vision of you as seeing all of the members of the human species, and being attracted to the potential of each one. And the more that you can reach with your power to emancipate them, the more the human species will be able to connect. You have a very powerful motivation to reach a lot of people. How do you see that desire to reach as many as possible?
Jean: Well, it didn't begin that way. From about 1960 until about five years ago I had been working with thousands of individuals on a one-to-one basis. And then I began to realize that these things could happen - it works! And now I've gotten rid of a lot of the little local self-the galloping hubris and a certain arrogance that comes from having been too successful too early, and a college professor at nineteen. That's a lot of garbage! If you can get rid of that, the channels become much clearer. When you get rid of the unnecessary ego protections - leaving enough, of course, to keep body and mind and soul together, and to make you get up in the morning - then the flow to others becomes very natural. It's not a question of having to go out and reach more people; it's just that one is prepared, and the natural ecology of things demands it. But I'm glad I wasn't cut loose on the world fifteen years ago!
Barbara: This is the vision that has motivated me: the vision of being part of the body of humankind, and that body struggling to become one and moving towards the sense of universal life. It wasn't Barbara Hubbard connecting with God.
Hazel: Yes, I've always sensed that in you.
Barbara: And I don't think it's Hazel Henderson making just the personal link.
Hazel: Oh no.
Barbara: And you, Jean, wouldn't be working out in the world as you do, and at the New School for Social Research.
Jean: And with all of the little black children and prisoners.
Hazel: It's really the attempt to link the organic human species body.
Barbara: Maybe we've hit upon one of the key elements of feminine consciousness: putting that effort first.
Hazel: Yes!
Barbara: Each one of us could have pursued a life of deep contemplation. We could have become yogis. You probably are one, Jean, but you don't spend all of your time in a lotus position. You are out in the world.
Jean: Yogi means union.
Barbara: Yes, but in the traditional forms, yogis spent a great deal of time isolated from the world. You have a tremendously active life. And so does Hazel, and so do I. You, being a real worker in the spiritual field, are manifesting this sense externally.
Jean: This is the new form of Eros!
Barbara: I have a vision of you as seeing all of the members of the human species, and being attracted to the potential of each one. And the more that you can reach with your power to emancipate them, the more the human species will be able to connect. You have a very powerful motivation to reach a lot of people. How do you see that desire to reach as many as possible?
Jean: Well, it didn't begin that way. From about 1960 until about five years ago I had been working with thousands of individuals on a one-to-one basis. And then I began to realize that these things could happen - it works! And now I've gotten rid of a lot of the little local self-the galloping hubris and a certain arrogance that comes from having been too successful too early, and a college professor at nineteen. That's a lot of garbage! If you can get rid of that, the channels become much clearer. When you get rid of the unnecessary ego protections - leaving enough, of course, to keep body and mind and soul together, and to make you get up in the morning - then the flow to others becomes very natural. It's not a question of having to go out and reach more people; it's just that one is prepared, and the natural ecology of things demands it. But I'm glad I wasn't cut loose on the world fifteen years ago!
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